Think Twice Before Buying This Type of Burger

4th of July is right around the corner and I really can’t think of a better way to celebrate Independence Day than a good old fashioned BBQ. But I have to be honest here, attending a BBQ produces a bit of anxiety for me every time. Will the host serve only beef hamburgers and hotdogs? (I don’t eat beef or any type hot dog.) Will the meat be organic? Will there be vegetarian options? Will the cook char the meat to death and produce heterocyclic amines that are known to cause colon cancer?

Needless to say, I am honestly a little disappointed when the host decides to serve things I don’t eat but get even more anxious when they offer to pick up some veggie burgers from the store for me. I am downright frightened of the ingredients in those frozen meat flavored patties. My response to their offer is always “No, thank you, I’ll bring a dish” and here’s why:

  • Neurotoxins & Carcinogens – The majority of store-bought veggie burgers contain some form of soy. Non organic soy is extracted using hexane, a chemical byproduct of petroleum refining. The food industry uses the hexane extraction method because it is cheap. Several studies have been published about the neurotoxicity of exposure of humans and animals to hexane, but the most alarming ones link exposure to brain tumors. Currently the FDA sets no limit to the amount of hexane that can be used in non-organic soy products and no one knows for sure how much residue is being consumed by the American public. If you want more info on this – the Cornucopia Institute released an excellent report about several popular veggie burger brands that use hexane. To quote top researcher Charlotte Valleys, “The bigger picture here is that hexane is being released into the atmosphere—since it’s an air pollutant. It leads to smog, which is ground-level ozone, which leads to a whole bunch of health problems, like asthma in kids. These effects are very real.” 
I don’t want this in my body or in the air I breathe – do you?

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*Image taken from Cornucopia Institute’s report on hexane in soy

  • Cheap Oils – If you see the words “canola oil, soy oil, corn oil, sunflower, and/or safflower oil” it is likely extracted with hexane too. But what further complicates this matter (if having a neurotoxin byproduct in your burger is not enough) is that the overconsumption of these cheap oils are causing an abundance of Omega 6 fatty acids in our diets. The imbalance of Omega 6 fatty acids increases the risk of inflammation, heart disease, obesity, and prostate and bone cancer.
  • Textured Vegetable Protein, aka “TVP” – Several frozen veggie burgers available are developed using soy products and Textured Vegetable Protein (TVP). TVP is one of those foods I avoid at all costs and no one will ever convince me to eat something this processed. TVP is extracted from soy at a super high heat and made into a powder before it is “reshaped” into strips, chunks and granules and put back into food. The processing can also add artificial and natural flavors, MSG, colorings, emulsifiers and thickening agents, including nitrosamine, which is a carcinogen no one should be consuming. Does this picture of TVP look like nutritious nuggets of real food to you?

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  • Chemically Altered Flavorings & MSG – There are several hidden sources of MSG found in vegetarian meat substitutes. The food industry uses MSG to make processed food that is low in nutrition taste good, tricking your taste buds into liking something that isn’t real food. Futhermore, MSG increases your insulin response, tricking your body into thinking you can eat more than you actually should. And this is exactly how scientists make rats obese, by feeding them MSG laced food. I don’t know about you, but knowing there is a potential substance that can trick me into eating more food is reason enough to avoid this at all costs. But MSG is linked to all sorts of terrible reactions in humans like migraines, toxicity, and autoimmune disorders that you can read about in this tell all book about MSG.

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  • Full of Genetically Modified Ingredients (GMOs) – If the burger contains anything derived from corn or soy, you can almost guarantee it comes from genetically modified seeds unless it is certified 100% organic. Genetically modified foods have been linked to toxicity, allergic reactions and fertility issues and have not been studied for their long term effects on our health. Unfortunately, here in the US, companies can get away with including GMOs in our foods without us knowing it. If you want to know if GMO’s are in your food – support the Just Label by signing their petition to the FDA
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The Morningstar Farms Black Bean Burger, along with several other brands are guilty of every one of these points above. This burger is marketed as “healthy” and has even more questionable ingredients like caramel coloring (which is linked to cancer) and a slew of other chemical based preservatives. Knowing that I used to eat this particular brand many years ago on a weekly basis, absolutely disgusts me now. I don’t know about you, but I am tired of processed and convenience foods making a fool out of me…share this info with all your veggie burger buying friends and spread the word.

If you know someone who could use this information, please share it with them, you could be a lifesaver!


Food Babe

P.S. This is one of my favorite homemade veggie burger recipes ever.

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326 Responses to “Think Twice Before Buying This Type of Burger”

  1. John Elliott

    I’m coming up on my 30th year as a complete vegetarian. At age 57 I can compete with men half my age in most sports, and I have other health benefits I won’t mention here. I’ve eaten most of the “naughty” vegeburgers mentioned in the article for most of the 30 years. I know that a living organism like the human body has an incredible ability to cleanse and repair itself if the damage is not chronic nor intense. With meat, fish and poultry, however, the damage to internal organs and blood systems is so insidious and pernicious that toxins build up and tissues break down. Given the choice I have in my job (I’m a foreign service officer) between eating animals or vegetables, I’ll gladly take the latter!

    • Willie B (to John Elliott)

      Thanks, John. I am trying to eat less meat and I have been eating everyone of the products mentioned in this article. I was happy to hear that you have and are eating them as well. I guess moderation is always important. I eat them for the protein. I imagine there must be other sources of protein other than the convenience foods mentioned above.
      Thanks again,
      Willie B

    • Lynda Balz (to John Elliott)

      Well said, John Elliot. I agree completely! My husband and II likewise have over 30 years without eating other beings, and rejoice at the variety and ease provided by the meat substitutes. We are past our mid-60′s and still work full-time at regular jobs in addition to running a full-service animal shelter that takes in 9,000 animals a year, a low-cost spay/neuter clinic that alters over 6,000 animals a year, and an equine rescue that houses over 40 equines at all times. We run a bingo to fund it all, and haven’t had a weekend off for 27 years. We run circles around our younger friends and associates as well. Men half my husband’s age marvel at his stamina and hard work at the equine rescue farm where he does all the heavy lifting and manual labor. Thanks for your comments.

    • tom (to John Elliott)

      so your body knows the difference? A toxin is a toxin.

    • Janet (to John Elliott)


      Check out the veggie burgers from Hilary’s Eat Well. They currently have four flavors available nationwide that are all non-gmo verified, gluten free, organic and allergen free! Agree with you to always avoid the big brands. Hilary’s burgers are the best!

      • JDE (to Janet)

        @Janet, thank you for the shopping info, very good lead!

      • Jennifer Wahab (to Janet)

        Lol, I was going to suggest Hillary’s Eats Well as well. They are amazing. Of course I am bias, she is my cousin. She worked very hard to develop these burgers in her restaurant “Local Burger”. She has put much love, time and energy into developing whole food products. I love her products and her dedication to wholesome healthy food.

      • Choko (to Janet)

        Be careful, though! Hilary’s veggie burgers have the “cheap”, dreaded sunflower oil on their ingredient list. Sigh. I knew they were too good to be true.

    • Erasto (to John Elliott)

      I’m 25 and on my 7th year as a vegetarian… Your response inspires me…I hope I look as good as you do at your age…

    • Todd (to John Elliott)

      John, not to rain on your parade…It’s great that you are healthy and all, and I applaud your decision to eat based on morals. I do the same with a limited amount of humanely raised and slaughtered meat. But saying that you are healthy BECAUSE or even in spite of these burgers is just silly (if my guess is true). And here is my guess: you have eaten lots of high quality produce and you probably otherwise take care of yourself. That probably counteracts all the nasty stuff in these burgers. Trash is trash, whether trashy meat, or trashy plant food full of toxins. A preponderance of evidence is showing that quality, well-raised and pastured meat is incredibly healthy when balanced with a low grain, high produce diet.

      • Timothy Laker (to Todd)

        Todd, thanks for bringing some common sense to the discussion. A lot of people spend too much time surfing the net or living and breathing their favorite health book which becomes like a religion almost, and as with religion… there are many paths to the “promise land” of health, but don’t confuse PERSONAL moral positions (impositions?) with objective reality.

    • Genna (to John Elliott)

      Has anyone added black beans to the recipe?? Just curious……

    • Alisa (to John Elliott)

      Sorry john, but the “damage done by meat poultry and fish”?? Of course you can’t mean organic meats that nourish your brain and body with protein, and minerals that plants simply do not provide. You’ve been fed a load of crap about animal proteins and saturated fats harming our bodies. Mother Nature isn’t stupid. And veggie burgers are freaks of nature.

      • Scott (to Alisa)

        Sorry Alisa, but there is a lot of proof that animal based food is harmful to humans. If you really are interested, or care about your health, read “The China Study” or “Prevent and Reverse Heart Disease”. A plant based diet is the best for our bodies. Most of the chronic diseases in our western society are caused by our western diet of high intake of animal products, and these same diseases are almost unheard of in cultures around the world that eat primarily a plant based diet. You can ignore this evidence if you want to. Can you elaborate on your statement about nutrients that “plants simply do not provide”? Which nutrients are you talking about? A plant based diet can provide everything that a meat based diet can. Where do you think the animals that you eat get those nutrients? From plants.

      • Alisa (to Alisa)

        Oh you mean the study that’s been thoroughly debunked?
        You’ve been misled, friend. google it.

      • Scott (to Alisa)

        Alisa: I’m sure you are referring to Denise Minger when you say the China Study has been debunked. You may not be aware that many prominent scientists have posted on her blog pointing out the flaws in her reasoning…because she has deleted their comments. But their comments are available on the web if you want to google it. One prominent cancer epidemiologist said that “Minger was out of her depth, and she offered to give Minger some some assistance and teach Minger some proper methods of analysis.” 23-year-old Minger lists her educational and professional qualifications on her Facebook page as writer, Catholic school teacher, summer camp instructor, and “Professional Sock Puppeteer.” I can hardly put her up against Dr Colin Campbell who is respected around the world as a top nutritional biochemist and Professor Emeritus of Nutritional Biochemistry at Cornell University. He is the one who advised President Clinton on becoming vegan. Denise Minger debunking Dr. Campbell? I think not. Minger publicly admits that she could use help understanding Dr. Campbell’s research, because she doesn’t have professional expertise to analyze and interpret the data. I think it is you who has been misled my friend.

      • Alisa (to Alisa)

        In almost every argument about vegan diets or animal foods, someone brings up The China Study. This is a book that was written by biochemist and nutrition researcher T. Colin Campbell.

        The book makes a case for animal foods (animal protein, in particular) being the main driver of killer diseases like heart disease and cancer. The case is loosely supported with data from a massive epidemiological study called The China-Cornell-Oxford Project, along with a number of other observations and studies on rats.

        Then he uses confusing terminology to make it seem like the rat studies using isolated proteins like casein have anything to do with diet and cancer in humans. The book has been criticized by a number of people who have analyzed the findings:

        Dr. Chris Masterjohn: What Dr. Campbell Won’t Tell You About The China Study
        Denise Minger: The China Study – Fact or Fallacy
        Dr. Michael Eades: The China Study vs the China study
        The findings of The China Study have also been contradicted by various other studies, some of which are of a much higher methodological quality.

        Read more:

  2. DigitalBob

    Go eat a nice healthy chunk of dead cow.

    • tomketchfish (to DigitalBob)

      Bambi, Bullwinkle and Bugs Bunny’s relatives are preferred on my dinner plate. Lower in fat, high in protein and so delicious. Never a trace of pink slime.

  3. Heather Ligresti

    It is too bad you don’t list the many healthy vegan options that are available.

    • Kimberlee (to Heather Ligresti)

      Love the heads up on all these products, thank you, but can you list healthy alternatives as well??

      • Maria (to Kimberlee)

        Besides making your own?
        Honestly, none of these are THAT bad. I’m a vegan & YES canola is a “cheap” oil, but hey– no one eats these things EVERY DAY.

      • Janet (to Maria)

        Check out the veggie burgers from Hilary’s Eat Well. They currently have four flavors available nationwide that are all non-gmo verified, gluten free, organic and allergen free! Agree with you to always avoid the big brands. Hilary’s burgers are the best!

    • Cmb (to Heather Ligresti)

      I prefer making my own from scratch (for all meals!), but obviously that’s not always viable, especially if you’re short on time.

      If I have to eat a frozen burger patty, I go with Amy’s. They’re one of the few frozen food companies I feel comfortable buying products from as they seem to be pretty up-front with their ingredients. In particular, their Sonoma and California burgers have a fairly small ingredients list without all the weird junk found in most frozen patties.

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  5. Clementine

    Try making your own lentil burgers! It is pretty easy c:

  6. Joan

    Upon closer scrutiny the ok to eat burgers are listed above in a list with green background on the left at top says “No hexane extracted soy ingredients” and to the right with the red background are listed the no nos.

    • Maria (to Joan)

      It’s all in the moderation. No one lives off these things.
      I only keep them in a fridge as an emergency food…& they’re tasty enough for my non-vegan friends to enjoy when I don’t have the time to cook something up.

      Ever had a BBQ in the summer? That’s when these come in handy. Of course, I try to make my own, but frozen patties tend to hold better for grills.

  7. Peter & Eileen Viik

    I would like to be informed of the value of foods that the public has to deal with

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    Tempeh and edamame are the most nutritious form of soy beans. Tofu, vegeburgers and tvp are very highly processed and the least nutritious. People who need a meat substitute are lost in a jungle of potentially bad choices. My advice is to eat food that tastes really good to you from the healthiest and most nutritious ingredients. It is a real stretch to think you can find something in a plant based diet that tastes like either a raw or cooked animal. But it is a very achievable goal to eat meals that are satisfying.

    • Christine Gallo (to

      I am reading a lot lately about how pesticide laden soy beans and corn are today (now that corporate farming and Monsanto have taken over production). I know it is important to ck. labels for soy as a hidden ingredient, but I didn’t know edamame was a soy bean?!? Help! It is so hard to stay on top of all this information. Of course it doesn’t help that corporate America has done everything it can to keep us in the dark.

      • Carlie (to Christine Gallo)

        Yes edemame is the Japanese word for soybean.

  10. Joe Wills

    Forget this processed burger stuff. Just eat India’s Indian and Sikh Vegetarian cuisine, 100% healthy , 100% mouthwatering, India is the longest civilization been vegetarian for 10′s of thousands of years. Sikhs are by Spirituality not to eat meat, how cool! Just look up Kundalini Yoga as taught by Yogi Bhajan.

    • TJ Krest (to Joe Wills)

      The reason India is mostly vegie is because they are poor and don’t have any room to raise cattle like US or Australia. It is also why they use so much Curry. Curry a) masks the taste of most food and b) it is a germ killer, as is most hot spice sauces. That is why you don’t have to refrigerate hot sauce. Everything in moderation. I have been a Vegie since 1972 and 3 years ago I started eating high grade chicken and “Amy’s” style foods. High grade bacon. I feel fine.

      • Mary (to TJ Krest)

        Statements made from ignorance—yes, India has many food-insecure areas, but not because they don’t raise cows for meat. Indian veggie cuisine uses LOTS of milk products so nthe people still get a good protein source w/o slaughter.

      • JDE (to Mary)

        Good advice Mary!!!

  11. Brett

    Ok this is it I’ve always though there had to be something bad in the imitation food I was raised on. From now on its only real meat for me!

  12. Grainne

    Easy healthy veggie burgers

    Fry 2 – 3 clove garlics, 2 large onions 2 red peppers and 2 courgettes.

    Boil 1 cup brown rice and 1 cup quinoa/barley/ buckwheat in stock.

    Blend 1/2 cup sundried tomato, ½ tin aduki beans, 1 cup walnuts and a handful basil.

    Blend all ingredients and add breadcrumbs or flour to get burger consistency.

    Fry and serve with salad.

    These freeze really well and can be reheated on a BBQ.

  13. Tom

    When buying this type of burger, avoid the big brands and go organic or homemade. It’s not hard. It’s not rocket science.

    • Janet (to Tom)

      Check out the veggie burgers from Hilary’s Eat Well. They currently have four flavors available nationwide that are all non-gmo verified, gluten free, organic and allergen free! Agree with you to always avoid the big brands. Hilary’s burgers are the best!

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  15. Jen

    Ummm…why not just eat a portabella burger? Easy enough to find organic ones, and only one ingredient. I don’t understand the whole trying to be healthy thing and then scarfing down foods LOADED with crazy chemicals. I’m a vegetarian, but I’d honestly feel safer eating organic, local beef before I’d eat a processed veggie burger.

  16. RottenToast

    I prefer making my own from scratch (for all meals!), but obviously that’s not always viable, especially if you’re short on time.
    Thanks for mentioning that this isn’t always viable. I’ll go a step further and just say that it’s not viable at all for most people, and we don’t need to get defensive about the reasons why. Maybe we don’t have time…maybe we just hate cooking…maybe we don’t want to spend our time worrying about every last molecule that goes into our bodies. My goodness…it sounds like I need to live on my own organic farm in the unspoiled wilderness if I want to live a long life and die and peaceful death. But I’ll be all alone without any of the comforts and leisure of modern life. No thanks.

  17. Janet

    Check out the veggie burgers from Hilary’s Eat Well. They currently have four flavors available nationwide that are all non-gmo verified, gluten free, organic and allergen free! Agree with you to always avoid the big brands. Hilary’s burgers are the best!

    • Assistant to Food Babe (Krista) (to Janet)

      Thanks! I just looked at their website. The ingredients look good.

  18. Didi

    How do you feel about “Hillary’s” brand? Have you tried them?

    • JWW (to Didi)

      They are amazing! They are made with out all the yucky stuff listed about.

      • Assistant to Food Babe (Krista) (to JWW)

        Have not tried but I’m going to. They sell them at Earthfare!

  19. Robert Hansard

    The standard diet of a meat-eater is blood, flesh, veins, muscles, tendons,and cow secretions from animals that have so many deceases the antibiotic doses the receive are totally unregulated causing the entire meat eating population to come down with antibiotic resistant super bugs.The FDA also permits the industry to meat products with carbon monoxide to keep the meat looking nice and pink to add an extra twenty days of shelf life.
    MRSA is showing up in pork,beef and chicken sold in supermarkets everywhere.Yet these potentially deadly cuts of meat have never been yanked off the shelves,and there are no inspectors who test live animals or meat for MRSA,and you think tofurky is bad

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  21. Holliebollie

    Dr. Praugers isn’t certified organic but he claims to use non GMO ingredients. He is on the suspect list with Boca and Morning Star, is it because he isn’t certified? I trust his burgers more than I trust the other ones, personally.

  22. scarlet

    I gave up on veggie burgers years ago because of the questionable ingredients. I only regret that I thought they were an okay food for so long, as I didn’t see MSG listed on the label, nor did I believe canola oil and soy were anything but the health foods they were touted to be. I guess I stupidly believed the “garden” in GardenBurger.

    I was a vegetarian for over twenty years, by the way. I’ve always avoided the SAD diet, and I thought I was eating healthy and more than adequately with my whole grains, fruits, veggies, nuts, and standard dairy. I avoided junk foods and sodas, even coffee. I seemed healthy, but the truth is my diet was inadequate in fat-soluble vitamins, B-vitamins, and protein. I may have eaten enough grams of protein, but my body was not able to efficiently utilize this macronutrient when most of my protein came from grains. I had perfect teeth before adopting vegetarianism. Now I am fighting tooth decay that went into a mysterious remission when I began eating pastured eggs and dairy as well as some grass-fed or pastured meat and taking gelatin supplements. Most of my issues became apparent after the enormous strain of pregnancy. I developed gluten sensitivity, for one thing. I put on weight even eating 1500 calories a day. I was low in energy. Sorry, but I am not inclined to take the advice of the vegetarian men posting here. They don’t have to worry about their bodies supporting a pregnancy. Nor do they generally have the issues with weight gain and slow metabolism that many women face. I simply couldn’t eat enough on a vegetarian diet to meet my body’s needs for Vitamins A, D, and B12 without going way above my body’s calorie requirement. Now that I am better nourished, I can eat more and keep my weight stable, my teeth look good again, and my skin is perfect. Sorry, but vegetarian propaganda doesn’t work on me anymore. I’d rather force myself to eat meat than keep rotting my teeth on an inadequate diet.

    A reasonable alternative to veggie burgers like the one described are Sunshine Burgers. The ingredients follow: organic cooked brown rice, organic ground raw sunflower seeds, organic carrots, organic spices, sea salt. Yes, they are still “processed food,” but they seem a much better option.

  23. Cindy Smith

    I wish everybody DIDNT EAT OUT OF A BOX and would provide some TASTY VEGGIE recipes!!

  24. Stacy W

    While this is all terrific information, I would like to see a list of alternative store-bought products. Homemade from scratch is great but in this demanding life, there’s a reason why people either eat out or reach for pre-packaged goods.

    Thank you and keep it up!


  25. Rani

    Have you researched Quorn? It tastes great…wondering if it’s good for you. Thanks!

  26. kandi moya

    So what is a good veggie burger. to buy then plz share tanks

  27. John

    Eat beans for protein (uncanned only) and veggies. Nothing canned. Also, be wary of “natural flavors.” They can be whatever. Anything processed can be a problem.

    Been eating this way for 4 years and I’m much better off. Read “Eat To Live” by Dr. Joel Fuhrman.

    • Helen (to John)

      Good Advice- Good simple ideas and foods – My dear friend a bio chemist and brilliant woman said it this way “pick foods with one ingredient” for example, nonGMO vegetables, Soybeans/Edamame ( EatEmYummy!) – and broccoli, beans, sprouts, etc.. simple good as God made them- (Genesis 1:28 for a few of us)

  28. paul

    Likely this… Likely that… Cancer this, cancer that… Unless you are a licensed and practicing dietician or nutritionist or MD, or a scientist with specific citations on personal scientific studies, whether this gives you cancer or that gives you cancer…then what you are doing is spouting personal opinion. I honestly can’t stand bloggers on a power trip, regardless of your fame or who endorses what you do. You have a degree in computer science from UNC Charlotte, that hardly makes you an expert on cancer or organic food.

  29. Greg

    I love animals. They are delicious.

  30. April

    Once again another post about everything evil and absolutely no alternative. Not all of us want or have the time to cook every single meal from scratch. please, please please start offering alternatives that are store bought! i appreciate what you do but if i followed your advice i’d be dead of starvation in a week. Maybe grading things or showing us ingredients from worst to not worst or something so we can make the best choice from the options there are-knowing full well that it won’t be perfect.

  31. Tracy

    Hilary’s veggie burgers are fantastic. Given the choice between eating organic meat or veggie meat possibly containing GMOs, what is the less of two evils? I feel torn when choosing convenience foods for my kids.

  32. A Mayers

    Moderation is always the best policy! But when we know better, we should do better :). Everyone should check out delight soy products- they’re processed but organic and do have soybean oil, but the ingredients are super simple and they are by far the best tasting meat alternative I’ve ever tried :)

  33. Betsy

    Hello Vani – thank you for this information. Because of it I contacted the makers of a product I like to eat on a regular bases and asked them if they use hexane to extract their soy. Here is their response:

    “Thank-you for your email and inquiry about our products. We want to assure you that gardein™ is made with the highest quality ingredients and that we are committed to producing great-tasting and healthy meat-free foods.

    All of the soy used in gardein products is grown in the US or Canada and is non-gmo. The process that is used to extract the soy from soybeans is safe and is the same process used for the extraction of most seed oils, including commonly used canola, sunflower and olive oils. Our suppliers follow strict manufacturing processes to ensure the safety of all of their soy products. We do not use hexane in the processing of our products and hexane is not used or present in our plant. We also work diligently to ensure we meet or exceed all U.S. and Canadian regulatory requirements for food. In addition, Garden Protein International does independent third-party testing of incoming soy protein and Finished Goods to ensure that there are no impurities, including hexane, present.”

    Hope this helps you and others that read your blog. Thank you for all you do!!!
    Betsy- Carlsbad, CA

    • Nicole (to Betsy)

      Thank you so much for looking into this more deeply, Betsy! I love the Gardein line of products and simply can’t find or afford any of the other products on food babe’s “safe list” in the rural area where I live. So I am VERY pleased to hear that they don’t use hexane during processing.

  34. Jennie

    I have ate these burgers and they are delicious . I am vegan I also do not eat refined sugar basically anything white bread potatoes etc.. and I would rather eat this than have a few packets of refined sugar in my tea that’s for sure.

  35. Patsy (to whooosh2)

    It is all about moderation of everything and eating fresh grain fed meat is much healthier than eating a processed soy burger. I love the Morningstart burgers but now will not eat them because I don’t like what I just read. Shame on them and other food manufacturers whose only thought is how to make money and have no concern for our health and well being.

  36. atrebla (to whooosh2)

    i agree with you on one level, and disagree on another.

    i think you’re thinking too much at the level of the individual making a single momentary food choice.

    the fact is, we are part of a food SYTEM, and all parts are intimately linked to eachother – from pesticides, herbicides, to what kind of agriculture, to who is the farm laborer, to how far it travels to you, to what kind of foods are commonly available and what foods are subsidized and which are not, to what is advertized to children, to what you THINK you are putting in your body vs. it’s long-term side effects, the addictive qualities of food, medical bills, etc etc etc. It is ALL CONNECTED.

    So, while I agree with you on the factual “truth” of your statement, I think the point that “it is not which food matter you put in your body in any given moment but how much and how often” is a non-starter. It’s almost entirely besides the point. It is distracting from much, much bigger issues about a food SYTEM. We cannot think about each individual action as SEPARATE from all of this!

  37. Maria (to Patsy)

    No one is obligated to buy these. Vegans/Vegetarians that want to enjoy a burger with the rest of their family will purchase these. They’re not meant to be all that nutritious. Labels are there for a reason. Anywho, broccoli is a known carcinogen. So are apple seeds (toxins) & honey. But guess what? No one cares or ultimately looks at it that deeply. Hating on these products makes them NOT want to make a better product & just leave the industry completely. I love my black bean chipotle burgers. I make my own, but keep these in the freezer as an emergency food (unexpected hungry guests on my birthday…cause I don’t keep track of the calender & whatnot).

    Also, vegetables are healthier than meat any day. Go back to living environmental science, the food chain & energy/nutrition absorption & study animal proteins & the affect of said proteins on cancerous cells.


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